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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/05/08/known-donor-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-19959</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jun 2007 23:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>HI, I am a KD whi has been valiantly searching the web for resources and information about our situation.  I am glad I finally found this.  Our friends, a lesbian couple, as ked us, a hetero couple if I would be a donor and a KD at that.  My wife and I have no kids and we decided to do it.  It took a year, but now our friend is quite pregnant and the twins are due in 30 days!  We have done some counseling and they have asked us to be the godparents.  We will be &quot;involved&quot; somewhat and somehow, but it is really not clear exactly what and how.  We hope to clear that up a bit when we met with the counselor next.  I am really intersted in tlaking to others about how the relationships evolve, what to expect and how people in situations like my wife are doing.  Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>HI, I am a KD whi has been valiantly searching the web for resources and information about our situation.  I am glad I finally found this.  Our friends, a lesbian couple, as ked us, a hetero couple if I would be a donor and a KD at that.  My wife and I have no kids and we decided to do it.  It took a year, but now our friend is quite pregnant and the twins are due in 30 days!  We have done some counseling and they have asked us to be the godparents.  We will be &#8220;involved&#8221; somewhat and somehow, but it is really not clear exactly what and how.  We hope to clear that up a bit when we met with the counselor next.  I am really intersted in tlaking to others about how the relationships evolve, what to expect and how people in situations like my wife are doing.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/05/08/known-donor-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15289</link>
		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 03:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Polly, thanks for the link to your post.  Our little guy has many chosen (well, we chose them) aunts and uncles already and we love the idea of creating a chosen family.  

Regarding what we call our KD:  he (KD) picked a name that he wants our son to call him - a term of endearment for papa in Spanish.  We are totally on board with that.  It&#039;s just the introducing him to other people thing that gets us all tangled up.  I guess maybe calling him a special uncle would work!  I feel like we&#039;re really just marking time until our son is old enough to decide for himself how to navigate this verbal territory.

Both my partner and I have read the Cherrie Moraga book and we loved it.  Kwynne, I&#039;ll look forward to your post about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polly, thanks for the link to your post.  Our little guy has many chosen (well, we chose them) aunts and uncles already and we love the idea of creating a chosen family.  </p>
<p>Regarding what we call our KD:  he (KD) picked a name that he wants our son to call him &#8211; a term of endearment for papa in Spanish.  We are totally on board with that.  It&#8217;s just the introducing him to other people thing that gets us all tangled up.  I guess maybe calling him a special uncle would work!  I feel like we&#8217;re really just marking time until our son is old enough to decide for himself how to navigate this verbal territory.</p>
<p>Both my partner and I have read the Cherrie Moraga book and we loved it.  Kwynne, I&#8217;ll look forward to your post about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kwynne</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/05/08/known-donor-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15203</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 22:50:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting. Our donor didn&#039;t want to be called &quot;Uncle&quot;, mainly because he wanted our son to develop his own naming for him. He also wants his own kids to call him by his first name, so that gives you an idea on his politics around family/naming. 

I know that a number of folks over at Rainbow Conceptions and on FF had put together a KD yahoo group - but that it didn&#039;t end up with much activity. I&#039;m sure other folks can speak to this and why they feel that happened, but I can say it saddens me that there isn&#039;t a space for KDs to talk (opening up one here sounds really good!) We have 2 KDs who are friends with each other, and THEY don&#039;t even talk to each other about it! 

Our KDs are both straight and have pretty queer positive/lefty politics. I am assuming that the reason they don&#039;t want too much fanfare about their &quot;gift&quot; is to normalize it. I know that they have both in one way or another stated how they feel that they have given us so little, and how they would hate for others to see their contribution as a reason to deny us as parents, which of course, happens so often for queer families. 

ps - have any of you read Cherríe Moraga&#039;s &quot;Portrait of a Queer Motherhood?&quot; Excellent, excellent book. She talks about negotiating a &quot;queer contract&quot; between herself, her partner and her donor and then talks about the evolving relationship that her donor has with her son. I love how it demonstrates the radicality that comes with queer family making, while explaining the need to reject homo/hetero normative models. Maybe I&#039;ll post a bit about that sometime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Our donor didn&#8217;t want to be called &#8220;Uncle&#8221;, mainly because he wanted our son to develop his own naming for him. He also wants his own kids to call him by his first name, so that gives you an idea on his politics around family/naming. </p>
<p>I know that a number of folks over at Rainbow Conceptions and on FF had put together a KD yahoo group &#8211; but that it didn&#8217;t end up with much activity. I&#8217;m sure other folks can speak to this and why they feel that happened, but I can say it saddens me that there isn&#8217;t a space for KDs to talk (opening up one here sounds really good!) We have 2 KDs who are friends with each other, and THEY don&#8217;t even talk to each other about it! </p>
<p>Our KDs are both straight and have pretty queer positive/lefty politics. I am assuming that the reason they don&#8217;t want too much fanfare about their &#8220;gift&#8221; is to normalize it. I know that they have both in one way or another stated how they feel that they have given us so little, and how they would hate for others to see their contribution as a reason to deny us as parents, which of course, happens so often for queer families. </p>
<p>ps &#8211; have any of you read Cherríe Moraga&#8217;s &#8220;Portrait of a Queer Motherhood?&#8221; Excellent, excellent book. She talks about negotiating a &#8220;queer contract&#8221; between herself, her partner and her donor and then talks about the evolving relationship that her donor has with her son. I love how it demonstrates the radicality that comes with queer family making, while explaining the need to reject homo/hetero normative models. Maybe I&#8217;ll post a bit about that sometime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Trista</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/05/08/known-donor-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15196</link>
		<dc:creator>Trista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 19:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we refer to our KD as uncle, too.  For all the reasons that Polly mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we refer to our KD as uncle, too.  For all the reasons that Polly mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Polly P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Polly P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 18:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ohchicken &amp; A, I think some kind of known donor forum or chat space or what have you would be great.  Their generosity of body and spirit (!) is intergral to our family building, and it would be great if our motivation, as highly organized &amp; resource-building lesbian parents, helped clear some space for them to reflect with one another.  Maybe the LesbianFamily community could be part of that?  

Meanwhile, A: we call our known donor a &quot;Special Uncle.&quot;  I&#039;ve heard that at least from one other quarter.  This reflects a familial tie, but not a parental one, and that exactly describes what we feel.  Insofar as &quot;aunts&quot; and &quot;uncles&quot; are often the names for dear people who help raise us or who are special special to our parents (whether they&#039;re blood-related or not).

I wrote about this in &lt;a href=&quot;http://lesbiandad.net/2006/08/23/monkey-with-granbaba-the-beach/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;a post last August&lt;/a&gt;.  Let me know what you think!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ohchicken &amp; A, I think some kind of known donor forum or chat space or what have you would be great.  Their generosity of body and spirit (!) is intergral to our family building, and it would be great if our motivation, as highly organized &amp; resource-building lesbian parents, helped clear some space for them to reflect with one another.  Maybe the LesbianFamily community could be part of that?  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, A: we call our known donor a &#8220;Special Uncle.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve heard that at least from one other quarter.  This reflects a familial tie, but not a parental one, and that exactly describes what we feel.  Insofar as &#8220;aunts&#8221; and &#8220;uncles&#8221; are often the names for dear people who help raise us or who are special special to our parents (whether they&#8217;re blood-related or not).</p>
<p>I wrote about this in <a href="http://lesbiandad.net/2006/08/23/monkey-with-granbaba-the-beach/" rel="nofollow">a post last August</a>.  Let me know what you think!</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/05/08/known-donor-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-15005</link>
		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 18:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a forum for KDs would be great!  I do recognize that maybe I&#039;m projecting our KD&#039;s need for some support onto him...but I think something like that could be valuable to KDs at various stages of the TTC and baby/child process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a forum for KDs would be great!  I do recognize that maybe I&#8217;m projecting our KD&#8217;s need for some support onto him&#8230;but I think something like that could be valuable to KDs at various stages of the TTC and baby/child process.</p>
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		<title>By: ohchicken</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/05/08/known-donor-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-14994</link>
		<dc:creator>ohchicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 May 2007 16:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>trista, i totally agree with you. our kd has purchased all the requisite lesbian parenting books, hoping to find anything helpful from the scant chapters on known donors. 

he&#039;s also taken to lurking on the lesbian ttc/parenting blogs, in order to find some insight about how the dynamics play out in real life.

maybe there is room for a kd corner on this site? some sort of forum for kds to find each other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>trista, i totally agree with you. our kd has purchased all the requisite lesbian parenting books, hoping to find anything helpful from the scant chapters on known donors. </p>
<p>he&#8217;s also taken to lurking on the lesbian ttc/parenting blogs, in order to find some insight about how the dynamics play out in real life.</p>
<p>maybe there is room for a kd corner on this site? some sort of forum for kds to find each other?</p>
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		<title>By: Trista</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/05/08/known-donor-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-14572</link>
		<dc:creator>Trista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 20:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really do think that there should be some sort of support system for known donors.  I know that our KD really went into it feeling alone but determined that this is what he wanted to do... but it would have been good for him to have other people to talk to... but then, maybe I&#039;m projecting my need to talk about everything onto him... maybe if there was a reference book out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really do think that there should be some sort of support system for known donors.  I know that our KD really went into it feeling alone but determined that this is what he wanted to do&#8230; but it would have been good for him to have other people to talk to&#8230; but then, maybe I&#8217;m projecting my need to talk about everything onto him&#8230; maybe if there was a reference book out there.</p>
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		<title>By: A</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/05/08/known-donor-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-14486</link>
		<dc:creator>A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 01:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our known donor is a longtime friend of my partner&#039;s, and we, too, entered into our &quot;new&quot; relationship with him with some uncertainty.  We had all those fears you articulated about something changing after our child was born and all those scary risks rearing their ugly heads.  

However, things have been fine, and I would even say they have been great.  He loves our son in exactly the way (we think) he should - unconditionally and with great joy...and with a clear sense of all of our boundaries.  

We&#039;re definitely still negotiating some things - for example, how we (and others) refer to him in relation to our son.  We have settled on referring to him as our son&#039;s donor, but that seems a little too impersonal. We&#039;re not quite comfortable with calling him our son&#039;s father, either, and haven&#039;t been able to come up with anything more creative.  Any suggestions on this would be more than welcome!  

Our donor doesn&#039;t have kids of his own, and probably won&#039;t.  However, we would like to have at least one more with him.  One of the things we value most about this situation is that our son will have a relationship with his other genetic half and his extended family, as well as all the history that comes along with that.

Thanks for writing about this.  We don&#039;t know many other families who have chosen this route and it&#039;s wonderful to hear about others&#039; experiences.  

Also, I&#039;ve been wondering if there&#039;s any kind of a support network for known donors out there.  I have a feeling our donor would appreciate some contact with other men in similar situations.  I&#039;ve done some searching but haven&#039;t come up with much...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our known donor is a longtime friend of my partner&#8217;s, and we, too, entered into our &#8220;new&#8221; relationship with him with some uncertainty.  We had all those fears you articulated about something changing after our child was born and all those scary risks rearing their ugly heads.  </p>
<p>However, things have been fine, and I would even say they have been great.  He loves our son in exactly the way (we think) he should &#8211; unconditionally and with great joy&#8230;and with a clear sense of all of our boundaries.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re definitely still negotiating some things &#8211; for example, how we (and others) refer to him in relation to our son.  We have settled on referring to him as our son&#8217;s donor, but that seems a little too impersonal. We&#8217;re not quite comfortable with calling him our son&#8217;s father, either, and haven&#8217;t been able to come up with anything more creative.  Any suggestions on this would be more than welcome!  </p>
<p>Our donor doesn&#8217;t have kids of his own, and probably won&#8217;t.  However, we would like to have at least one more with him.  One of the things we value most about this situation is that our son will have a relationship with his other genetic half and his extended family, as well as all the history that comes along with that.</p>
<p>Thanks for writing about this.  We don&#8217;t know many other families who have chosen this route and it&#8217;s wonderful to hear about others&#8217; experiences.  </p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;ve been wondering if there&#8217;s any kind of a support network for known donors out there.  I have a feeling our donor would appreciate some contact with other men in similar situations.  I&#8217;ve done some searching but haven&#8217;t come up with much&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Trista</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/05/08/known-donor-bonuses/comment-page-1/#comment-12956</link>
		<dc:creator>Trista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 19:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also have a wonderful relationship with our KD.  I was worried, too, at first that his presence in our lives would erase me as the other parent.  But not so.  He loves Julia and Julia loves him, and there&#039;s room for everyone.  Furthermore, I love him, too.  Finding him and integrating him into our lives was like finding a brother and welcoming him home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also have a wonderful relationship with our KD.  I was worried, too, at first that his presence in our lives would erase me as the other parent.  But not so.  He loves Julia and Julia loves him, and there&#8217;s room for everyone.  Furthermore, I love him, too.  Finding him and integrating him into our lives was like finding a brother and welcoming him home.</p>
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