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		<title>By: joy</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-58155</link>
		<dc:creator>joy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just happened upon your comments in my search using terms &quot;housewife&quot; and &quot;transition.&quot;  that&#039;d be me.  i am a longtime mom and housewife, been married to 3 guys.  not all at the same time.  from where i am, at middle age and in a menopausal rage at everything, i think the real deal is, the one working for money in the household is the &quot;man&quot; and the one doing the baby care is the &quot;woman&quot; and there is no way around it that i have ever been able to find, it doesn&#039;t matter who you are, what your relationship is, how many discussions you have, how many ups and downs you go through; in this world working for money is the only thing considered the real work.  you&#039;re a piece of dogshit if you don&#039;t work for money, and all the laundry you&#039;ve done and meals you&#039;ve cooked is worthless in the eyes of the world, and somewhat semi-worthless in the eyes of your partner, except for the awareness they&#039;re glad they can get out of the house to work on time and come home to a hot meal.  i don&#039;t think it&#039;s anybody&#039;s fault, any more than any of the other stuff out there is anybody&#039;s fault in particular, but if you want to be a first hand mom and love and care for a child yourself at home, your tradeoff is to be a second class citizen.  it&#039;s a shame, it&#039;s a crime, it sucks, but it&#039;s better than being a stranger to your child.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just happened upon your comments in my search using terms &#8220;housewife&#8221; and &#8220;transition.&#8221;  that&#8217;d be me.  i am a longtime mom and housewife, been married to 3 guys.  not all at the same time.  from where i am, at middle age and in a menopausal rage at everything, i think the real deal is, the one working for money in the household is the &#8220;man&#8221; and the one doing the baby care is the &#8220;woman&#8221; and there is no way around it that i have ever been able to find, it doesn&#8217;t matter who you are, what your relationship is, how many discussions you have, how many ups and downs you go through; in this world working for money is the only thing considered the real work.  you&#8217;re a piece of dogshit if you don&#8217;t work for money, and all the laundry you&#8217;ve done and meals you&#8217;ve cooked is worthless in the eyes of the world, and somewhat semi-worthless in the eyes of your partner, except for the awareness they&#8217;re glad they can get out of the house to work on time and come home to a hot meal.  i don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s anybody&#8217;s fault, any more than any of the other stuff out there is anybody&#8217;s fault in particular, but if you want to be a first hand mom and love and care for a child yourself at home, your tradeoff is to be a second class citizen.  it&#8217;s a shame, it&#8217;s a crime, it sucks, but it&#8217;s better than being a stranger to your child.</p>
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		<title>By: meow</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-8272</link>
		<dc:creator>meow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Apr 2007 05:38:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can I ask a question in all of this?  my partner and i have similar experiences to many of your experiences with unequal duties but comparable (we don&#039;t have a child though or yet)--but are you all having sex or am i the dead fish out here in the water who is still doing my &quot;chores&quot; without equal access on the planet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can I ask a question in all of this?  my partner and i have similar experiences to many of your experiences with unequal duties but comparable (we don&#8217;t have a child though or yet)&#8211;but are you all having sex or am i the dead fish out here in the water who is still doing my &#8220;chores&#8221; without equal access on the planet?</p>
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		<title>By: dlvc</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-8193</link>
		<dc:creator>dlvc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:01:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just found this blog but recognize many of you from the pre-baby days when I had more time surf!  It&#039;s a great site!  My wife and I have a 9 month old daughter.  

We&#039;ve had a nice division of both house and baby chores this year because we&#039;ve each spent one semester (we&#039;re both in academics) as more of the &quot;housewife.&quot;  This fall, my wife was working full time and I was on primary house/baby duty while working part-time from home.  This semester it&#039;s exactly the opposite.  We&#039;ve gained a lot of empathy from this arrangement.  In the fall, when she would come in at the end of the day and kind of space-out, not really making herself useful, I&#039;d get a little frustrated....but now I do exactly the same thing.  Come to find out that end of the day transition is really disorienting.  We do also work very hard to make sure that the primary-baby duty parent is not on 24/7.  As soon as we&#039;re both home (after the brief space-out) it&#039;s pretty much 50/50.  We do also benefit from being similarly situated on the neatness spectrum...and it isn&#039;t the super-neat end of that spectrum.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just found this blog but recognize many of you from the pre-baby days when I had more time surf!  It&#8217;s a great site!  My wife and I have a 9 month old daughter.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve had a nice division of both house and baby chores this year because we&#8217;ve each spent one semester (we&#8217;re both in academics) as more of the &#8220;housewife.&#8221;  This fall, my wife was working full time and I was on primary house/baby duty while working part-time from home.  This semester it&#8217;s exactly the opposite.  We&#8217;ve gained a lot of empathy from this arrangement.  In the fall, when she would come in at the end of the day and kind of space-out, not really making herself useful, I&#8217;d get a little frustrated&#8230;.but now I do exactly the same thing.  Come to find out that end of the day transition is really disorienting.  We do also work very hard to make sure that the primary-baby duty parent is not on 24/7.  As soon as we&#8217;re both home (after the brief space-out) it&#8217;s pretty much 50/50.  We do also benefit from being similarly situated on the neatness spectrum&#8230;and it isn&#8217;t the super-neat end of that spectrum.</p>
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		<title>By: Trista</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-8049</link>
		<dc:creator>Trista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh Lordie... 

Kristin and I have also had some HUMDINGERS over housework.  

Kristin&#039;s tolerance of messes is much lower than mine, so she does most of the cleaning... but she resents it.  I do most of the childcare and am tired after interrupted nights of sleep and then a full day of work, so I don&#039;t want to clean when I get home, or when I get Julia down for the night. 

For us it&#039;s an interesting division.  You&#039;d think housework goes with childcare, but for us it doesn&#039;t.  I take care of Julia in the evenings and weekends and Kristin follows us around cleaning up.  And yes, we both bitch at each other for not being more helpful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh Lordie&#8230; </p>
<p>Kristin and I have also had some HUMDINGERS over housework.  </p>
<p>Kristin&#8217;s tolerance of messes is much lower than mine, so she does most of the cleaning&#8230; but she resents it.  I do most of the childcare and am tired after interrupted nights of sleep and then a full day of work, so I don&#8217;t want to clean when I get home, or when I get Julia down for the night. </p>
<p>For us it&#8217;s an interesting division.  You&#8217;d think housework goes with childcare, but for us it doesn&#8217;t.  I take care of Julia in the evenings and weekends and Kristin follows us around cleaning up.  And yes, we both bitch at each other for not being more helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-8038</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 19:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sans children but I thought you&#039;d be interested since we are a very gendered couple.

Neat freak, packrat butch handles all dishes, dusting, sweeping, taking out garbage, hosing down terrace, takes care of lovebirds. Not as neat, hates clutter femme mops, does the bathroom, the laundry, cooks, waters plants. 

Mikey does the lion&#039;s share of the housework because she has a much lower tolerance for messes although now that she has a new job that she has to do a real commute for as opposed to riding in a car pool she finds she has much less energy to clean and is now beginning to understand why I don&#039;t feel like mopping when I come home from work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sans children but I thought you&#8217;d be interested since we are a very gendered couple.</p>
<p>Neat freak, packrat butch handles all dishes, dusting, sweeping, taking out garbage, hosing down terrace, takes care of lovebirds. Not as neat, hates clutter femme mops, does the bathroom, the laundry, cooks, waters plants. </p>
<p>Mikey does the lion&#8217;s share of the housework because she has a much lower tolerance for messes although now that she has a new job that she has to do a real commute for as opposed to riding in a car pool she finds she has much less energy to clean and is now beginning to understand why I don&#8217;t feel like mopping when I come home from work.</p>
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		<title>By: Kwynne</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-8025</link>
		<dc:creator>Kwynne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 16:55:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was thinking of you Cathy when writing this and wondering what you may have read in this area. Cool to hear what you and other folks have to say!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was thinking of you Cathy when writing this and wondering what you may have read in this area. Cool to hear what you and other folks have to say!</p>
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		<title>By: cathy</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-8005</link>
		<dc:creator>cathy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 14:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do the bulk of the baby care, Beth does the bulk of the house care.

And I&#039;ve read Orten and others on queer housewives, division of labor, etc and ALL seems to say a child being born tips the balance for queer couples just like for hetero couples.  It sucks.  It happens.  It happened to us.  (Though in fairness it probably made me more equal to Beth... closer to 50-50 from 80-20 in my favor)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do the bulk of the baby care, Beth does the bulk of the house care.</p>
<p>And I&#8217;ve read Orten and others on queer housewives, division of labor, etc and ALL seems to say a child being born tips the balance for queer couples just like for hetero couples.  It sucks.  It happens.  It happened to us.  (Though in fairness it probably made me more equal to Beth&#8230; closer to 50-50 from 80-20 in my favor)</p>
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		<title>By: Lil</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-7812</link>
		<dc:creator>Lil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(oh, we&#039;re a M/F couple, not F/F or M/M. Just felt I should clarify that. :))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(oh, we&#8217;re a M/F couple, not F/F or M/M. Just felt I should clarify that. <img src='http://lesbianfamily.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: Lil</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-7811</link>
		<dc:creator>Lil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 04:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before baby, we divided household tasks more or less 50-50 I&#039;d do more vacuuming, laundry  and bathroom cleaning and the husband would do more dishes. Post-baby I find that the husband is in charge of dog walking, laundry (it involves heavy lifting and carrying to the laundry room in our building) and money earning, and I&#039;m suddenly in charge of cooking (for us and the dogs), cleaning, computer hardware troubleshooting and assembly, and baby-caretaking. 

Both of us feel totally overwhelmed at times, and the place often goes too many days without vacuuming considering that we have two large dogs that like to shed like tumbleweeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before baby, we divided household tasks more or less 50-50 I&#8217;d do more vacuuming, laundry  and bathroom cleaning and the husband would do more dishes. Post-baby I find that the husband is in charge of dog walking, laundry (it involves heavy lifting and carrying to the laundry room in our building) and money earning, and I&#8217;m suddenly in charge of cooking (for us and the dogs), cleaning, computer hardware troubleshooting and assembly, and baby-caretaking. </p>
<p>Both of us feel totally overwhelmed at times, and the place often goes too many days without vacuuming considering that we have two large dogs that like to shed like tumbleweeds.</p>
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		<title>By: Mo</title>
		<link>http://lesbianfamily.org/2007/04/06/the-desperate-queer-housewife/comment-page-1/#comment-7802</link>
		<dc:creator>Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 03:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have pretty much divided the labor based on what we care about the most.  So I do most of the dishes, most of the cooking, cleaning bathrooms, vacuuming, and lawn mowing, and my partner does all the laundry, most of the grocery shopping, garden projects, and fixes things when they get broken.  This division hasn&#039;t changed much since we had kids, but it seems a lot more difficult to get a handle on all our chores since we&#039;re so busy. We share watching the kids about equally since we work opposite schedules.  When the kids were still nursing, I did most of the night care of the kids, but it only seemed to make sense and I didn&#039;t mind.  Seriously, after experiencing how difficult it is to just watch 2 kids, while trying to cook and keep things somewhat orderly, I am absolutely in awe of stay-at-home moms who take care of kids and a house all day and still cook and clean and do all that stuff on the week-ends too.  My mom raised 6 kids (note I don&#039;t include my dad because really she did 98% of the work), and we had no clue how hard that was for her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have pretty much divided the labor based on what we care about the most.  So I do most of the dishes, most of the cooking, cleaning bathrooms, vacuuming, and lawn mowing, and my partner does all the laundry, most of the grocery shopping, garden projects, and fixes things when they get broken.  This division hasn&#8217;t changed much since we had kids, but it seems a lot more difficult to get a handle on all our chores since we&#8217;re so busy. We share watching the kids about equally since we work opposite schedules.  When the kids were still nursing, I did most of the night care of the kids, but it only seemed to make sense and I didn&#8217;t mind.  Seriously, after experiencing how difficult it is to just watch 2 kids, while trying to cook and keep things somewhat orderly, I am absolutely in awe of stay-at-home moms who take care of kids and a house all day and still cook and clean and do all that stuff on the week-ends too.  My mom raised 6 kids (note I don&#8217;t include my dad because really she did 98% of the work), and we had no clue how hard that was for her.</p>
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